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_ No Global Industry Is Profitable If Natural Capital Is Accounted For
_ I've visited-as-a-tourist or lived in 25 separate countries, on 46 occasions
_ Influence: mobile and more - WARC's James Aitchison
_ Message from Drought Crisis: Don't Put All Your Eggs in America's Breadbasket
_Is Sustainable Living Possible, When there are Too Many People for Too Few Jobs?
_ DM's 6 factors considered before any purchase
_ Interview with Tariq Ali, 20 Mar.2011
_ Ban Ki-moon: World's economic model is 'environmental suicide'
_ Do We Have Iran's Ahmadinejad All Wrong?
_ Lerner/Tikkun: an Israel/Palestine Peace Treaty; & State of the Spirit, 2011
_ George Monbiot predicts next 7 years, in Dec.2003; & California Models the World, LA-Times, in Jan.2004
_ Auckland Harbour Bridge Walk-cycle-way, NZ
_ Coal-Mine Rescue is not like Fire-fighting
_ Eyres, FT: Cultivate Growth Industry
_ Brayne: Drop in BBCs climate coverage
_ Renewables provide 73% of NZs total electricity
_ NZs Windflow 500kW Turbine: Success!
_ 150 earthquakes in Canterbury NZ
_ Christchurch NZ Earthquake News: RadioNZ
_ Toxic legacy: US Marines Fallujah assault
_ Suicides outnumber road deaths - NZ
_ Small Modular Nuclear Reactors? TOD
_ D & Bs Life in 32 Tweets, Ds Style
_ Totnes-UKs Energy Descent Action Plan
_ ShapeNZ Mining Survey in May 2010
_ Wake-UpCall: Worlds Bigges tOilJunkie; Nelder
_ Protests against new powers for NZ Govt agencies
_ Links for 14-Apr to 16-Apr 2010
_ URLs: furless animal found in Sichuan; Hominid Species Discovery Shows Transition Between Apes, Humans
_ Carbon-Free Britain planned by Center for Alternative Technology (CAT)
Saturday, 25 August 2012
WeathrFoodPricePol-instab
https://twitter.com/WorldwatchEn/status/239095815954640896
What does the link between extreme weather, food prices, and political instability teach us about policy? http://bit.ly/NhdqVn or http://blogs.worldwatch.org/revolt/message-from-the-drought-crisis-dont-put-all-your-eggs-in-americas-breadbasket/
Worldwatch Institute @WorldwatchEn, 8:24 AM - 25 Aug 2012
- is:

For those who spent this year’s mild winter worrying about how incredibly hot the summer would be, recent damages to crops and homes should come as little surprise. Although the abnormally early spring delivered some benefits—such as one of the best blue crab seasons in a long time—they will be largely outweighed by the costs inflicted by the historic drought that is currently plaguing most of the United States, with particularly dire consequences in agricultural states.p>

The word “historic” is not an exaggeration: the 12 months running from June 2011 to June 2012 are the warmest on record, and more than two thirds of U.S. farms are in drought conditions, a magnitude that has not been experienced since 1956 and is nearing Dust Bowl-like proportions.

Amid fluctuating rain patterns and crop price speculation, one trend is already emerging: we can expect higher food prices worldwide starting next year, and perhaps as early as this autumn. The Climate Desk, a journalistic collaboration focused on climate change, recently published a helpful estimate of how some basic foods could be affected by 2013. For instance, a 20-ounce loaf of white bread would go from an average price of $1.81 to $1.96; a whole chicken would sell at $4.91, compared to the 2011 average of $4.52.

Overall, foods relying heavily on corn and soy for their production would experience a 3 to 5 percent price increase. That might seem like a relatively small share, but it can add up to a significant amount for the average U.S. family. Consequences could also be felt outside of the country. Although the droughts have not significantly affected rice and wheat (the main crops that were affected during the 2007 and 2010–11 food crises), U.S. corn and soy are imported by many countries worldwide, and substitution effects might cause these scarcities to put pressure on other food crops.

Among climate scientists, there is little doubt that the drought is linked to climate change. In discussions about recent wildfires in Colorado, most experts have talked in probabilities and scenarios, explaining that, even though it is hard to link one particular event to human-caused climate disruption, “this is what climate change looks like”: wildfires, heat waves, droughts, floods, and storms. These extreme weather events are becoming increasingly likely as climate change intensifies as a result of ever-rising greenhouse gas emissions.

In these “I-told-you-so” times, public opinion is already shifting quickly: more than 70 percent of Americans now believe that climate change is occurring. Although it’s not certain whether this belief will remain strong during, say, a randomly cold winter, we must wonder what the current drought tells us about how human societies will evolve amid a disrupted and unpredictable climate.

http://necsi.edu/research/social/img/fig1_crises.png
http://necsi.edu/research/social/img/fig1_crises.png  
  Though the roots of protests and revolts are often very deep,
  high food prices have, at times, played a key role (Source: NECSI)

Take, for instance, the interesting link that was recently pointed out between extreme weather, food prices, and political instability. The New England Complex Systems Institute published a fairly convincing graph correlating the number of protests worldwide to fluctuations in the global food price index (see right). The analysis came after many comments from Middle East experts, who qualified the 2010 food crisis as the spark that ignited the Arab Spring.

What this tells us, if we didn’t know it already, is that our societies are more interdependent than ever, starting with our agricultural system. India, Thailand, and Vietnam export nearly 70 percent of the world’s rice. The United States alone accounts for more than 20 percent of global wheat exports, the rest being supplied by the EU-27, Russia, Canada, Australia, and a handful of other countries. And, quite relevantly in the current drought, the United States produces more than a third of the world’s corn and soy, both major sources of animal feed stock.

Of course, food-related crises and riots could be seen as healthy manifestations of a system’s effort to self-regulate: people eat fewer resource-intensive animal products, importers turn to other players for cheaper and more reliable supplies, and nations topple tyrants. But gradual change is generally stronger, and more sustainable, than brutal change. The problem is that even in relatively stable countries, with functioning democracies, this gradual change is sometimes hard to bring about.

In the case of the U.S. Midwest, for instance, farmers benefit from generous crop insurance funds to cover the losses in corn and soy, and these benefits have only increased under the latest Farm Bill. However, as the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy reports, “acknowledgement of increased risk for agriculture has not been coupled with any specific acknowledgement of its primary cause—climate change—or of farmers’ need to take steps to make their cropping systems more resilient to extreme weather.” In short, farmers are financially encouraged to do more of the same, despite rapidly deteriorating conditions, and at a hefty cost to taxpayers. In a particularly absurd move, some are now proposing to fund this year’s crop insurance by cutting into conservation programs.

It would be easy to marvel at the fact that an intensely exploited portion of U.S. land has been feeding much of the world for decades. In the face of unprecedented environmental change, however, it is also necessary to take an honest look at a system that distorts the global market, nurtures dependence, and creates vulnerability. Worldwatch’s Nourishing the Planet program recently highlighted 12 agricultural innovations to improve drought resilience. Ranging from agroforestry to rotating crops and “Meatless Mondays,” some of these innovations come from other countries, and all of them emphasize one thing: diversity. Diversity in plants, in farming practices, in protein sources, and, I would add, diversity in producing countries.

Both the European Union and the United States will have trouble maintaining their subsidies and insurances in the midst of climate disruptions and slow economic recovery, and cutting into conservation funds to pay the bill would be spectacularly misguided. Innovations gathered by Worldwatch tell a different story: as nations start looking elsewhere for new crops, concentrated, subsidized agricultural systems should start looking elsewhere for new ideas.

 

Antoine Ebel is a Climate and Energy intern at the Worldwatch Institute.



Posted by davd at 20:44 NZD
Updated: Saturday, 25 August 2012 21:17 NZD
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Thursday, 5 January 2012
DM1995whenManyPeoplFewJob

David MacClement's essay, 3 August 1995:
When there are Too Many People for Too Few Jobs

Is Sustainable Living Possible?
(even if everyone is able and willing to do what's needed)
         or:

"What do people do with their time
(now that there's too few jobs for too large a number of people)"?

Next to our place|*, there's a new development [written 3 August 1995], with hammering, skil-sawing|^, and heavy trucks delivering building materials and earth-movers. These guys are typically quite happy to be doing "man's work", with a feeling of accomplishment at tne end of the day, most times, and knowing that they've met a (perhaps risky) challenge successfully.
Other people, men and women throughout [New Zealand] and around the world, also value their 30 to 70 hours a week in a similar way, but in the future, with reduced consumption and longer-lasting buildings, appliances and vehicles, there will be less chance of gaining this satisfaction with one's daily activities, for an increasing number of adults.

The usual answer seems to be a combination of life-long education and the creation of enough service-industry jobs to provide at least the semblance of busy-ness for the 50% more|` people wanting work, even if they don't get _paid_ enough to live as a full member of their society.
I don't think yhe 'ordinary joe', capable or skilful with his hands and strong when necessary, will be suitable for, or get significant satisfaction out of, such "people-skills" jobs, let alone be interested in success at academic study. We're talking here of what in all past ages was called: hard, satisfying work. There just won't be anything like enough work to go around, for the huge numbers of people wanting it [at recent world population|+ growth rates].

So what will people do with their time?

In the first place, when consumption is reduced by 50% and (slightly-higher-priced) longer-lasting equipment is bought, the money needed by each person is also reduced, perhaps by 40% (0.40) in constant dollars. So the same [national] salary-and-wages bill could be spread over 67% more people {1/(1 -0.40)}, as part of the change to sustainability. { If the present jobs were split up and redistributed among 'only' 50% more workers in ~25 years, this would imply a real wage rise of 33% (67% / 50%), or 1.15% per year increase http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%281%2B0.0115%29^25 }

Secondly, assuming such a neat answer doesn't apply to most of the excess people in the world, for example that the rich & powerful continue grabbing all they can, then most of the excess [people] will have to reduce their activities whether they wish to or not.
Are 'couch-potatoes' ([though] eating a lot less as well) a good thing?
[Should the nation's rulers supply] "Bread and circuses"?|~

Draft, paper found Ja.2012 prob. by IBM Selectric typewriter (typeball): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Selectric_typewriter#Selectric_III
_written by_:
David MacClementhttp://davd.i8.com/EFquiz_DsResponses-080515.html#up
https://davd.tripod.com/#new1 ZL1ASX http://davd.pip.verisignlabs.com
http://reocities.com/davd.geo/#earths I'm in Greenhithe North Shore NZ
^arkiv d1v9d@bigfoot.com interesting articles https://davd.tripod.com/DM
earth our home: http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200710/r194556_737903.jpg

 

_Footnotes_:

_|*: Greenhithe, "B" in map: http://tinyurl.com/NthnBuswayToGreenhthWalk

_|^: Skil brand, portable circular saw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skil

_|`: pick "Region Search", World, 1995 then 2034, in: http://to.ly/bQyo
http://www.census.gov/population/international/data/idb/informationGateway.php
1995 5,703,456,064
2034 8,573,974,015 - 50% more than 1995.

_|+: World population: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

_|~: Bread and Circuses: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses


Posted by davd at 18:07 NZT
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Sunday, 26 June 2011
DMs-6factorsbeforepurchase

The ethics of whether to buy, considered in each case.
- from a June 2011 email by David MacClement

· It'll be midwinter day|^ in under a week: I feel cold and
my Loden-coat is over 40 years old and moth-eaten; I'm thinking:

(1): "if in doubt, don't" buy, my life-long purchasing rule,
and how that stacks up against the many other factors
I consider before spending money.

· Besides our organic bread (baked daily in our village, Greenhithe NZ)
and the organic milk I buy daily so I can leave it on the bench and
not use our fridge at all,
*** most weeks I don't spend anything (beyond restocking food).***

_ This is basically why (a) I _know_

*** my expenses are only NZ$8,142 (US$5,656) per year|`,***

- and (b) I feel some surprise when I hear that someone I know
has bought something - this extends to a kind of disgust at people
buying as much as they can (especially if they go into debt to do so).

· Five more factors I consider before deciding buying is "a good thing":

(2) Do I have an alternative, like re-arranging my life so I don't need
it, or (_very_ commonly) do I have my own or someone else's "cast-off"
to use - this applies to clothes, food, etc.

(3) What about the value of my purchase to the people who produced it?
This means I continue buying Trade-Aid/FairTrade coffee from East Timor
even though I could easily do without coffee.
_ A version is: "Is it made locally (e.g. in NZ for clothes, within
cycle-ride if food), and might its production be moved overseas like so
much else, if I and other like-minded people aren't willing to pay a
premium for it?"

(4) How much interference with the normal functioning of the earth does
its production (raw materials through to my purchase) cause?
_ Carbon Footprint (fossil fuel) is one of several inputs to the whole
Ecological Footprint. Usually I make some inquiries (webpage,
clothes-tag etc.) but this is always a guess on my part.

(5) Is there a way for me to buy it second-hand? The 90%Reduction rules
(see below my sign-off|*), specifically number 6: "Consumer Goods", have:

- "Used goods are deemed to have an energy cost of 10% of their actual
purchase price. That is, if you buy a used sofa for $50, you just spent
$5 of your allotment. The reason for this is that used goods bought from
previous owners put money back into circulation that is then spent on
new goods.
... Goods that were donated are deemed to be unlimited, with no carbon
cost. ... Putting things back into use that would otherwise be tossed
should be strongly encouraged."

(6) If I buy new, is the annual amortising decrement (initial cost divided
by expected lifetime) low enough that it makes little-or-no increase in my
annual expenses? The above US$5,656 (NZ$8,142) per year|` is only accurate
to about NZ$30 (US$20), so a purchase of NZ$350 lasting 20 years (the
rest of my life) would amortise at under NZ$18 per year and so would
disappear into the uncertainty; though I do need to watch out that I
don't make more similarly-big purchases.

David MacClement

_|^: Dongji, Matariki, Yule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice

-=##=- -=##=- -=##=-

_|*: The 90%Reduction rules, from web.archive of Riot-4-Austerity.org/blog:
http://www.riot4austerity.org/blog/7-categories/
- are still at: http://tinyurl.com/90pctReduction-7categories ;original:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090409194800/http://www.riot4austerity.org/blog/7-categories/

- that page has:
"6. Consumer Goods. The best metric I could find for this is using
money. A Professor at Syracuse University calculates that as an average,
every consumer dollar we spend puts .5 lbs of carbon into the
atmosphere. This isn't perfect, of course, but it averages out pretty
well.

The average American spends 10K PER HOUSEHOLD, PER YEAR on consumer
goods, not including things like mortgage, health care, debt service,
car payments, etc... Obviously, we recommend you minimize those things
to the extent you can, but what we're mostly talking about is things
like gifts, toys, music, books, tools, household goods, cosmetics,
toiletries, paper goods, etc... A 90% cut would be 1,000 dollars PER
HOUSEHOLD, PER YEAR

Used goods are deemed to have an energy cost of 10% of their actual
purchase price. That is, if you buy a used sofa for $50, you just spent
$5 of your allotment. The reason for this is that used goods bought from
previous owners put money back into circulation that is then spent on
new goods. This would apply to Craigslist, Yardsales, etc... but not
goodwill and other charities, as noted below. This rule does not apply
if you know that the item would otherwise be thrown out - that is, if
someone says, "If you don't buy it, I'm going to toss it." Those items
are unlimited as well, because they keep crap out of landfills.

Goods that were donated are deemed to be unlimited, with no carbon cost.
That is, you can spend all you want at Goodwill and the church rummage
sale. Putting things back into use that would otherwise be tossed should
be strongly encouraged."

-=##=- -=##=- -=##=-

_|`: In 2007 my wife Bera and I got and spiked all receipts, splitting all
household costs 50-50, and proved we live on US$5,208 (NZ$7,490) each per year:
- That figure was published on 16 July 2010 in:
"D & Bs Life in 32 Tweets, Ds Style" here on this blog, at:
https://davd.tripod.com/DM/index.blog/2039397/ds-style-32-tweets-july-2010/

Since then we made four long-life improvements to our cheap 3-br 1-bath 1966 house.
We:
- replaced our 45yo thin corrugated iron roof by a thicker and better-finished
corrugated iron roof (such steel is made in NZ from our west-coast iron-sand),
- replaced our rusted-out old stove by one producing v. little pollution
- insulated above the ceiling and under the (rimu floorboard) floor, and
- replaced the >31yo brittle translucent front porch roof with a stronger
_clear_ corrugated plastic (polycarbonate) roof.

These are the figures we used to calculate the annual amortising decrements:

_Investments in our Greenhithe house, 16 Sept. 2009 to Feb. 2011; NZ$:_

Improvement_ _~_ cost_ Est.Lifetime yr _~_ B+D $/year _~_ $/year each:
~_~_~ _~ _~_~ _~ _~_ ShortLife_ Long _ Short _ Long _ Short _ LongLife

Roof_~_-_~_ _~_ $7,377 __ 20 __ 25 __ $369 __ $295 __ $184 __ $148
WoodStove_~_ _ $3,124 __ 15 __ 20 __ $492 __ $369 __ $246 __ $184
Insulation _~_ __ $1,741 __ 30 __ 50 __ $246 __ $148 __ $123 __   $74
PorchRoof __~__ $1,873 __ 10 __ 15 __ $738 __ $492 __ $369 __ $246
Total (4): _ _~_~_ _~_~_ _~ _~ _~ _ $1,844 __ $1,303 __ $922 __ $652

-{NZ$922 = US$641, and NZ$652 = US$453_ at the Jan. 2007 exchange rate
I used for the NZ$7,490 (US$5,208) original: NZ$1.00 = US$0.6953;
- it's over US$0.80 per NZ$1.00 now, in early June 2011.}-

· Because I believe each will last the longer of the estimated lifetimes,
from now on I expect to be stating that our individual cost of living is
(NZ$:) $7,490 + $652 = $8,142 - or:
US$5,208 + US$453 = _US$5,661_ per year (or US$11,322 p.a per household)

· I realise there are many inaccuracies, particularly in the US$ figures
{(a) I should have used the exchange rates at the dates of payment, and
(b) I should have deflated the recent purchases before adding them to our
2007 documented US$5,208 per-person cost of living
},
- but I see no reason not to say, for the rest of my life:

"we each live on US$5,656 per year (2007 prices and exchange rate)."


--
David MacClementhttp://davd.i8.com/EFquiz_DsResponses-080515.html#up
https://davd.tripod.com/#new1 ZL1ASX http://davd.pip.verisignlabs.com
http://reocities.com/davd.geo/#earths I'm in Greenhithe North Shore NZ
^arkiv d1v9d@bigfoot.com interesting articles https://davd.tripod.com/DM
earth our home: http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200710/r194556_737903.jpg

 


Posted by davd at 18:15 NZD
Updated: Sunday, 26 June 2011 18:29 NZD
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Friday, 25 March 2011
TariqAli-InterviewTVNZ2011

Q+A Interview with Tariq Ali

20 March 2011. Published: 12:19PM Monday March 21, 2011 Source: Q + A
Original: http://tvnz.co.nz/q-and-a-news/q-interview-tariq-ali-4075035

Transcript of Paul Holmes Q + A interview with Tariq Ali, March 20, 2011.

Q+A Interview with Tariq Ali (Source: ONE News)
Tariq Ali - Source: TVNZ ONE News 
 Video:
Tariq Ali on events in the Middle East (09:48)
- 1:12PM Sunday March 20, 2011; Source: Q+A
Political campaigner Tariq Ali discusses the jasmine revolutions in the Middle East.

PAUL Well, fascinating things going on in the world. You've got Christchurch, of course- well, the tragedy, really, of Christchurch; the catastrophe - tragedy - of Japan
- and then you have what's happening in the Middle East.
It all started in Tunisia, and it grew. The Arab world is in flux. President Mubarak of Egypt is gone after those extraordinary few days of young-people power. And in Libya at the moment, Gaddafi is fighting to stay on. His storming of Benghazi has begun overnight, even as French fighter jets have started flying over the country. The uprisings across the Middle East, and what about religion? They're not about Israel this time, they're not about death to America, but they're about democracy and jobs, even rubbish collection. And this week Bahrain went into lockdown with its government propped by troops by Saudi Arabia. And in Yemen - Yemen - at least 45 pro-democracy protesters were killed on Friday as tens of thousands of people demanded the president step down.

So we welcome to our programme Tariq Ali, who is in New Zealand to deliver the 2011 Sir Douglas Robb lectures at the University of Auckland. Tariq Ali was born in what's now Pakistan. He studied at the University of Punjab, and then he studied at Oxford, so he cuts the mustard.
In the 1960s, he became a revolutionary icon, inspiring the Rolling Stones' Street Fighting Man and John Lennon's Power to the People. He's written over 30 books, he's an activist, he's a socialist, he's a filmmaker.
Tariq Ali, welcome to the programme.

TARIQ ALI
God to be with you.

PAUL Leave aside Libya just for the moment - we'll get to Libya, of course - but what is happening in the Middle East? What is it about?

TARIQ It's about two things. It's firstly about people in the entire Arab world feeling that they don't need the despots who have been ruling over them for 20, 30, 40 years and wanting to get rid of them and
*** not being able to get rid of them through democratic elections, ***
deciding to take history by the scruff of its neck, marching out into the streets.
And so we've had a process of what I would call national democratic revolution or upheavals still going in the Arab world, demanding change, demanding freedom and
*** saying to the West, which has propped up these despots and dictators for most of the time, ***
'Enough. No more.'

PAUL Why now? Why not four years ago, you know, or two years ago?

TARIQ I think it's been triggered off. The events in Tunisia were very much triggered off by the Wall Street crash of 2008 and the ensuing economic crisis. Suddenly, unemployment tripled, and a large number of educated people found themselves without work, poured out into the streets, contrasting their lives with the lives of the elite, who ruled them and who are so blinded by greed to make more and more money that they can't see the conditions in which ordinary people live. Once it happened in Tunisia and they got rid of a dictator who Sarkozy was backing and offering help to to stay in power, the Egyptians said that they were going to come out, and they began to come out in more and more numbers. The repression didn't work, hundreds died, and finally Mubarak was toppled, but we still don't know how it's going to end in Egypt.

PAUL No, we do not. We could talk about that too, but it's fascinating for us in the West to see that the young people coming out aren't shouting, 'Death to Israel,' aren't shouting, 'Death to America,' aren't burning effigies of the American president; they want their own guys gone.

TARIQ They want their own guys gone.

PAUL They want jobs, they want prospects.

TARIQ But when the Americans were intervening in Egypt initially, when Hillary Clinton was saying Mubarak was family, when other Western leaders were backing Mubarak and Obama was not sure what they were going to do, there were lots of anti-American slogans. Granted it wasn't the dominant slogan, and 82% of Egyptians in an opinion poll said that they did not like the role that America was playing in their country. So this is a democratic uprising, but part of that includes being free again and not being ruled by the United States.

PAUL Can Islam tolerate democracy, really? As far as I know, it hasn't really worked anywhere within the Arab world, in the Islamic world - democracy - perhaps Indonesia, you could say.

TARIQ Well, no, it's-

PAUL Because people say, don't they, there was never a separation between church and state, therefore -—-

TARIQ I've always thought that was a lot of nonsense, actually.
There's absolutely no reason why democracy shouldn't work in the Muslim world. The reason it hasn't is that often, including in Indonesia and in Pakistan on four separate occasions, the US has backed military coups d'etat to prevent democratic developments, and that led to clashes.

But whenever democracy is permitted, you know, the three largest Islamic countries - Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan - people go out and vote, there are different political parties.

The religious parties in Pakistan, for instance, have always got less than 10% of the vote. In Indonesia, you have a moderate religious party in power, as you do in Turkey. These are the equivalents of the Muslim-Christian democrats which you have in Europe. So I think there's nothing in Islamic thinking or in the thinking of these countries which indicates that people don't want to determine who rules them. They do just as much as they do in the West, and I think the turbulence we're seeing in the Middle East is the democracy will probably be more radical and offer real alternatives than the West offers today.

PAUL In the meantime, who's leading these revolutions through the Middle East at the moment?
It's the young educated people, yes? And the social networks?

TARIQ I don't think that is an accurate assessment, actually. I think the young people with their Facebooks and Twitters are playing a part in it, but an overwhelming-

*** I mean, in Egypt, in particular, there were nine to 10 million people out on to the streets, and they were everyone. Virtually every layer of Egyptian society was out there, including the very poor, who don't have mobile phones, who don't have computers, who don't know what Twitter is. ***

They were heavily involved in getting rid of a despot who has wrecked their lives for 30 years.

PAUL Yeah. Well, where's it going to end? In the end, will the despots win? Or will people power be unstoppable, do you think?

TARIQ I think a lot will depend on what happens in Egypt. If in Egypt the democracy movement will succeed in having a new constitution which enshrines democratic freedoms and social rights - this is a very important part of the campaign - the right to work, the right to a free education, free health - this is part of the movement.

PAUL What's the attitude of the army going to be, though?

TARIQ The army will do what the Pentagon tells them, because the top commanders of the army have been help to the States. They are paid billions each year for their salaries and to keep their armies happy, so they will do what the Americans want, but the Americans cannot totally determine the situation, because just three days ago there was another huge demonstration in Egypt saying they want the military out.

PAUL Now let's talk about Libya just quickly because the deputy foreign minister was on television yesterday - bizarre performance saying, 'We will not enter Benghazi. We will not enter Benghazi - this is our assurance to the world. Send in the obvservers.' And last night Gaddafi's tanks entered Benghazi. The French overnight have fired on a military vehicle. What's going to happen in Libya?

Tarig Ali, at: http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/home/about/news-events-and-notices/events/template/event_item.jsp?cid=11237 TARIQ Well, I think a loss, and tragically, the Libyan upsurge ran out of steam. They were hoping that the military would split and some of it would come over to their side. Some did. A few pilots fled the land, but it wasn't enough to sway the thing. My own feeling about the Western intervention is that it's a disastrous intervention that will strengthen Libya. And, of course, the Libyan propaganda outfits are saying, you know, 'Who are these people to attack us. They were doing deals with us. We paying Sarkozy's election campaign money and the Brits money - all these sorts.'

PAUL But it's a United Nations initiative, this.

TARIQ Yeah, but, you know, let's face it. The United Nations does what the Security Council wants, and that's five or six powers, essentially dominated by the United States. The powers that disagree these days don't veto; they abstain. And four or five of them abstained.

PAUL Egypt again. You say Egypt will define, really, what happens. What do you think the Pentagon will tell the Egyptian army?

TARIQ Well, if they are sensible, they'll say, 'Keep out of politics.' But who knows what they will really say, but Egypt is key because if it stabilises into a radical democracy with its own constitution, with people allowed the right to vote, it's very likely that the initial governments could well be governments the US could do business with. But there are no guarantees of that once you permit democracy.

PAUL Are you optimistic about democracy through the Middle East?

TARIQ I'm very optimistic. I'm very excited. It hasn't happened yet, but the fact that the people are out on to the streets demanding it ends this notion that people in the Muslim world are zombies, unlike anyone else, that they don't want democracy, they don't want democratic rights, they don't want social freedom. So it's a time of hope.

PAUL Gee, maybe George Bush was right. I'm sorry to wind you up.

TARIQ Well, George Bush was right to kill a million Iraqis, create five million orphans in Iraq, wreck the social infrastructure of the country - I don't think so.

PAUL I was just winding you up.

TARIQ I know you were, but, you know, a million Iraqi dead is a very serious business.

PAUL Thank you, Tariq Ali, for coming on the show.

 


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Sunday, 30 January 2011
BanKiMoonSustainabltyFocus

This is from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jan/28/ban-ki-moon-economic-model-environment

Ban Ki-moon: World's economic model is 'environmental suicide'

UN secretary general tells Davos panel that an economic revolution is needed to save the planet as he shifts his focus from climate change to sustainability

Forest cleared in West Kalimantan
Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Indonesia’s president, said his country was trying to plant 1bn trees a year. It is often called the keeper of one of the world's last major rainforests. Photograph: Romeo Gacad/AFP/Getty Images

The world's current economic model is an environmental "global suicide pact" that will result in disaster if it isn't reformed, Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, warned today.

Ban said that political and business leaders need to embrace economic innovation in order to save the planet.

"We need a revolution," he told a panel at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, on how best to make the global economy sustainable. "Climate change is also showing us that the old model is more than obsolete."

He called the current economic model a recipe for "national disaster" and said: "We are running out of time. Time to tackle climate change, time to ensure sustainable … growth." The Guardian revealed yesterday that Ban is ending his hands-on efforts to reach a global climate deal through UN negotiations, and move to focus on a broader sustainability agenda.

His words received a mixed reception from other panelists, including Felipe Calderón, Mexico's president, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Indonesia's president, Walmart chief executive, Mike Duke, and Microsoft's Bill Gates.

Jim Balsillie, co-chief executive of BlackBerry maker Research in Motion, said technology alone wouldn't solve the problem of how to sustain economic growth while reducing its impact on the environment. "We have to fundamentally rethink economics," he said, suggesting that a new model was needed to hold businesses to account for their impact on the planet.

Yudhoyono, whose country is often labeled a keeper of one of the world's last major rainforests, said Indonesia was trying to plant 1bn trees a year. But he pushed back against the suggestion that developing countries should give up on their aspiration to achieve the same level of wealth as the rich world.

This view was partly shared by Gates, who said that "you cannot have a just world by telling people to use less energy than the average European". One way to cap the world's consumption and carbon emissions would be to invest in family planning said Gates, who has invested much of his fortune in health projects in the developing world.

The annual meeting of business and political leaders in Davos has been accused by some of producing little more than hot air.

The panel moderator, the New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman, said he hoped next year participants would return to the Swiss ski resort "and be able to say that a molecule of CO2 was actually affected by what we say and do here".


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